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Reader owns too many homes for another loan

October 30th, 2009, 1:00 am · 8 Comments · posted by Mathew Padilla

randy-johnson.jpgRandy Johnson, president of Independence Mortgage Co. in Newport Beach, author of “How to Save Thousands of Dollars on Your Home Mortgage” and a mortgage broker since 1983, answers questions…

Ed in Yorba Linda asks:
Q. We have a 740 FICO credit score, more than ample reserves, no consumer debt, very good income-to-debt ratio, can qualify with full documentation and yet we own too many homes (more than 10) to qualify for a loan. We are not interested in hard money loans of short duration. We are long-term, buy-and-hold real estate investors. We can put a 30% down payment on the right property. Any ideas of where we can go for a non-owner-occupied loan?

A. The rule applies to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans, but the entire rest of the mortgage world keys on what they do so it is not likely that you can find another lender who will swim upstream. Not only that, some lenders are still working off the four-property limit that was established early this year and later rescinded. My point is that you have to ask. Jumbo lenders don’t have that restriction, but it’s even worse. The ones I know about are only doing principal residence loans.

You might think about this strategy. The rule applies only to properties with loans on them. If you have 12 rental properties but only eight have loans on them, you can buy two more. If you have enough equity in one property, you can refinance the loan on it and have enough cash to pay off a loan on another property. That leaves you with an opportunity to buy one more. Once I did a big loan on a client’s home and we paid off loans on a half-dozen rental properties.

Mike in Mission Viejo asks:
Q. We bought a home in June 2008 for $400,000 in Mission Viejo. We put $80,000 down; the mortgage being $320,000 at 6% for 30 years, with monthly payments of $1,917. The balance is now $316,070. Although the lender, Wells Fargo, says in a form letter that we can reduce our payment by $142, when I spoke to their rep last month, he indicated that the costs involved wouldn’t make it practical to refinance at this time. My question is: Can we refinance at a lower rate that would reduce our monthly payment without having to pay up-front costs that negate the savings?

A. The answer is a qualified, “Yes.” It depends first on the value of your home. There has obviously been a further decline in the market since you purchased. That would mean you would have to pay mortgage insurance (PMI) because you would be over 80% loan-to-value. That would make it unattractive to refinance.

However both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have special programs that allow you to refinance with over 80% LTV without paying PMI. To see if Fannie Mae owns your loan, go HERE to and the Freddie Mac Web site is HERE.

Assuming you loan is owned by one of them, you can reduce the interest rate by over 1%. (Editor’s Note: Rates may have changed since Johnson answered this question.) That is an attractive opportunity because you would earn back your upfront costs in less than two years. That’s a great deal. Don’t rush in and take a no-point deal. It’s much more attractive to pay a point and buy down the rate even further.

That’s it. If you want Johnson to answer a question, email it to Mathew Padilla at mapadilla(at)ocregister.com. Include your name or nickname and the city you live in — that information will be published with your question. Johnson will answer up to three questions each week, so keep checking back for a response.

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 8 Comments

  • vvvviking says:

    Bad answer on the second question regarding the refi. The refi rate will depend on the FICO/LTV of the borrower, among other things, even on a GSE-GSE refi they agencies could charge delivery fees, up to 2 pts on a HARP refi, possibly more on non HARP.

    https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/guides/ssg/annltrs/pdf/2009/0915.pdf

  • Wes Lewison says:

    Actually there are a handful of lending sources for non owner occupied single family homes that have no limit on the number of properties owned. The rates are just slightly higher than the government backed but still reasonable, the LTV is typically only up to 60% though. commercial loan shop “dot com” and I can help…

  • Louie Sez says:

    any “portfolio” lender would consider the loan on #1 question, I know as I work for a credit union and we have made many loans where investors have more than 10 financed properties. Obviously rate is higher than conforming loans, however when investors look at the acquistation cost (at or near bottom?? and future appreciation, cash flow, tax incentives etc they seldom hestitate…….and why would they, where as can they go?

    • bpsqwerty says:

      no wonder everything in O.C. is overpriced, all those old coots buying 10 homes are pricing out every first time or move-up buyer.

  • Liar Loan says:

    I wonder if Ed in Yorba Linda is a retiring baby boomer…

  • bpsqwerty says:

    I’m no expert but here’s an idea “Ed” don’t worry about buying any more homes for the time being, or else incorporate or form an LLC if you want to buy more. as an individual, you sure sound over leveraged.

    greed is good? I guess? whatever, doesn’t matter…

  • Anand Shah says:

    On the second question on refinance “Mike in Mission Viejo”

    Isn’t Randy supposed to advise about Recourse & Non-Recourse, assuming that Mike might have bought the mission viejo property as a first home ever, therefore enjoying the rights of a “non-recourse” customer, whereas by refinancing,… the loan would get converted from a “non-recourse” to a “recourse”…

  • ishdakuteb says:

    i guess that the only way to solve the problem right now is to kick off all of the bad loan, do not let people to cash off their equity right now (since some of them are thinking of getting the money out of the house then dump it back to banks)…. to solve a problem, have go directly to its root of cause right :)

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